ShaKa ZuLu Forum VJ Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) All of the title of this post. Man wasn't great the way they just fucked each other? Man wasn't it everything we ask for form RLC ? Man that Rebecca what a pussy hound. And Megan Wow ! Oh shit look at Stella suck that dick. I can go on and on But the fact of the matter is I'm Disgusted At me at you all at RLC . We begged for this yapping every day in the chat they need to lick one another. Well we got what we ask for. So Now how many of you are truly happy at what you have witness these last three nights . I want to hear from all oldschooler and Newbies What did you see ? Here's what I saw . 7 young women take their first steps to becoming pornstars . But oh wow wasn't it great? Anna have pcis on her page of what look like a promising modeling career. Now it will be for porn the rest who knows Rebecca was about to get married or was engagaged but after tonite cancels christmas. and the rest who look like they are still trying to figure out life well ya just got bumped up to the big girls class. WELCOME TO PORN DISGUISED AS REAL LIFE.For three nights in a roll the new owner have destroyed these girls life for our benefit. Yeepy cause we seen Megan get her pussy and Anna take dick and Stella suck dick . And Poyla who is on her way out go be all she can be for more money. Yeepy ! cause we got to see what we wanted. AND IF ANY OF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS REAL LIFE THAN YOUR TOE TAG IS CLOSER THAN YOU THINK. HATE ME ,PISS ON ME IN THE SHOUT. BUT WHEN YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PUT YOUR DICK BACK IN YOUR PANTS AND GO TO YOUR BED AND CLOSE YOUR EYES. WHEN THE APHRODISIAC OF OF RLC PIMPING THE GIRLS OUT TO YOU WEARS OFF AND YOUR HUMAN NATURE KICKS IN .HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR SELF NOW? AND FOR ALL YOU WHO SAY THIS IS WHAT I PAID FOR. STOP BULLSHITTING YOUR SELF YOU PAID TO SEE REAL LIFE WHAT YOU GOT WAS (Derogatory). DON'T GET ME WRONG I WAS I WAS WATCHING TOO BUT IT WAS BEFORE THE PARTY GOT GOING I POSTED IN THE SHOUT THIS WAS BULL AND LEFT I POSTED DO YOU THINK THIS WAS OVER BEFORE TONITE GOT STARTED AND I ALSO ASKED WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MOST OF THE OLD SCHOOLER WHO ARE ALWAYS IN THE SHOUT ARE NOT HERE TONITE LOVE ME OR HATE ME BUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AND WHEN THE T AND A IS GONE WHAT DID YOU JUST SEE ? EXACTLY FOR ALL WHO THINK I'M TRYING TO BE HOLIER THAN THOU . ANSWER ME THIS WHERE THE BIG TIME NAMES IN THE SHOUT TONITE? WASN'T THERE CAUSE THEY SEE IT FOR WHAT IT WAS SO FOR ALL OF US ME INCLUDED LET STAND UP AND TAKE A BOW TO THE NEW MANAGEMENT BRAVO COGRATS ON YOUR CONQUEST Edited March 30, 2017 by StnCld316 kalevipoeg, CowArt, Penpen and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penpen Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I usually shut up and let anyone have his/her fun. But I have to give ShaKa ZuLu credits here. This isn't voyeurism, that's porn. Nothing more, nothing less. You're paying a whole lot of money for watching hired pornstars. Porn's for free! That's what they invented the Internet for.. right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowArt Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 hours ago, ShaKa ZuLu Forum VJ said: BUT WHEN YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PUT YOUR DICK BACK IN YOUR PANTS AND GO TO YOUR BED AND CLOSE YOUR EYES. WHEN THE APHRODISIAC OF OF RLC PIMPING THE GIRLS OUT TO YOU WEARS OFF AND YOUR HUMAN NATURE KICKS IN .HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR SELF NOW? You are spot on with this one. I watched all three parties they threw so far, Have the strongest feelings about the Wednesday one, shocked by the fact that the younger and shy tenants went so far with each other. I enjoyed it in the moment. Didn't comment on the chatbox as much as I do on a regular night, but I believe I got in an encouraging comment or two, induced by all the unexpected naked sexiness and surely some serious sleep deprivation didn't do wonders for my sense of judgement either. But then after yet another very short sleep, morning comes, and you sit there at the kitchen table with the first coffee of the day, reality sinks in and you ask yourself what the hell you have been watching, and worse, why have you been enjoying it, you sick bastard. Watching those apts as much as I do, you get a pretty good feel for the girls, their moods, and their interactions. Wednesday everybody was just so very far off their natural behavior, there can be no other explanation that there must have been a very strong incentive from RLC involved. In this post I will refrain myself from suggestions on what that incentive could or could not have been. The day passed, another night came. I had to catch up on some sleep, so took a nap and didn't log on to RLC until around midnight. First observation: Megan and Rebecca decided to stay away from things this night and team up together in Rebecca's room. Guess the night before went farther than they expected and were comfortable with. I read reports about Rebecca crying on the phone with her BF earlier that day. But everybody was still there, nobody packed and left, which lead me to believe at least nobody was forced to do anything against their will, just some day-after regrets that in hindsight things went much further on the cameras than they wanted. Second observation: Polya was there. Normally nothing, absolutely nothing can keep her from going out at night and visit her BF. I think I have spent more hours watching Polya than half of you combined, so I know how she interacts with others, and her behavior last night seemed natural to me, apart from the bathroom bit. So did all the other girls, at least not as ridiculously off-character as Wednesday. But I strongly feel that also Polya received some serious encouragement from RLC to come to Barca2, to attend the party and to put on the performance in the bathroom with Lola and Stella. Under the old management, the general consensus was that the girls received a bonus for cam-views. It was up to them to figure out how to attract those, different girls went in different directions for that, some didn't seem to bother whatsoever, but thing developed (or didn't develop) naturally. The big selling point of RLC always was that the whole thing was unscripted. Sure, there were always some indications that from time to time they received note to step up their game a bit because they were starting to bore the viewers to death, but no more than that. If people disagree with me, I encourage them to try to convince me otherwise, but now the Barca-apts have gone from unscripted to strictly-scripted. So far, every day this week, the apts went UM for a couple of hours before the parties. Were the girls being briefed during that time? Told what to do and what would be in it for them when they did? No way to know for sure until one of the girls accidentally runs her mouth not thinking of the cameras and a translator picks up on it. If this is the direction RLC wants to go with the two Barca-apts, I'm not sure if I will be in it for the long run. It's very hot to watch and all, and I realise all the girls are there of their own free will, the doors aren't locked, they can pack up and leave anytime they want, but this does start to feel like RLC is starting to exploit these girls. So far not up to the point of prostitution, but god forbid if RLC attracted the amount of new subscribers they hoped with this, like any profit-driven organisation, they will want more. What's up next? Send the girls out to the nightclubs to prey on boys to bring home and fuck on camera? Sell lottery-tickets to win a night at one of the Barca-apts? RLC is starting to walk a very fine line now between being a voyeur-website and a porn-based cam-site. Like ShaKa ZuLu said, in the heat of the moment it's all very hot, and you can't drag yourself away from it, but then morning comes, the buzz has worn off, and you are left with a bad feeling about the whole thing. At least I am. delta10, Sir_Lurxalot, mikeusa and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiestyle4u Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I agree with Cowart's last few paragraphs with respect to RLC. RLC says they offer Real LIfe Cams to watch tenants live their real life 24/7. Also they say RLC is not a porn site. Well, over time, what I have observed contradicts everything RLC describes about their business and what they provide. The activities in both Barca apartments recently has shown RLC's true colors more obviously but stop and spend time watching the other apartments and you will see similar issues with tenants (much less noticeable but it does exist). The appearance of scripting or fucking with the viewers is what bothers me. With respect to Real Life what is real. I believe current tenants or new tenants are being directed to perform specific activities to the paying subscribers (notice the similar cock teasing or in your face sex exploits in most apartments). Even some couples are behaving like porn stars. As of late, the single girls appear to be pushed for more extreme performances. Twister, bubble baths, massage and naked or half naked exercises directly in front of the cams. Now lesbian porn. What next and what kind of new tenants for this New RLC ownership? All this is not real life if most apartments behave similarly. As for not being a porn site - Bull Shit. Close up of spread eagle masturbation or fucking and blowjobs right in front of the cams is very much intentional. RLC needs to remove Real Life from their business name - false advertising to say the least. I have no problem with sex in front of the cams - I am a voyeur after all. My problem is with RLC being manipulative to paying or potentially paying customers. Bandit and mikeusa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeusa Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 okay this what kiket translated what lola said to megen in megan room last night Lalo wanted to borrow vibrator from megan but she did not want to give it to her lola told her she will make sure it's clean etc megan was not convinced at all so lola lift to use her own dildo on polya so it look to me it was planned out and I still feel disgust what I saw 3 night in a row and knowing me I will get very bored with this if it keep's happening then I will go some where else also when I was at camcaps they love it cuz if you read there comments you will know what I mean I did not comment at all on camcap cuz I have nothing to say what I was watching last night the same with the other night also.. I do agree with you dougistyile4u and I have a question for the voyagers out there what are you going to do keep watching or go some where else to you kick off right now I'm kind of bored with rlc right now so I might not watch anymore and I do now know about you guy's dougiestyle4u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeguy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Okay all. I posted 2 days ago on another forum that I was not happy for what we did when we all thought Wed. night was drug fueled, yet watched anyway. I agree with most of what was said. A little disappointed SZ felt the need to swear at us in all caps but that is not huge in the big scheme of things. I am about to play Devil's Advocate here, sort of like in a debate where you MUST take the opposite position and try to make a compelling argument AGAINST the topic being discussed. I have been a member since Feb 2016 and I have tried to read a lot of the Forum posts over that time to get a feel for what has gone on before I joined and since. There is a lot out there so it is just about impossible to get to it all. I have also tried to be a chat participant and respect what others say (for the most part, some really piss me off) and I have probably ruffled a few feathers from time-to-time. I like to think I am reasonably level headed and consistent in my opinions. Here goes. No one has ever objected to sex on RLC: not lesbian sex with Kira and Nina, possibly because they are married; not when they had a 3-some, which caused a lot of legal issues; not with Carina and Sabrina having sex with a strap-on and really rough sex; no one objected to SugarBonnie doing her sex shows, which were pretty explicit, from her tiny bedroom at C&S; Leora masturbating was fine and members could not get too much of that; we enjoy picking on Paul, even with his personal hygiene issues and really, really, really wanted him to be a real man and do Leora more often; Nelly and Bogdan could always make sure they were positioned properly to display there sexual activity, which they obviously planned carefully, and everyone said that was awesome; Nelly would masturbate while watching porn and with a good view and that was fabulous; Adriana could masturbate in her bed and we thought that was great because Daniel is just not man enough, yet he was the only one I know of who had anal sex with his partner and the write-ups on that were that is was just spectacular; it is fine when Stesha and Marco have sex, probably the most normal sex on the site, except for putting a condom on 3/4 of the way through, and we all love them; there was a lot of outrage at the way some of the Stesha and Marco guests treated their women and the parties but that was written off because after all, they are Russian men and that is just how they behave so the social outrage just falls by the road; Maya and Stepan are probably about as 'normal' as you get and probably mirror most of our lives, meaning they are boring and everyone mentions that but it is fine when they have their monthly sex, especially when Maya puts on her cat ears; we are all outraged that Lev has committed domestic abuse on Zoya several times and yet is still on the site, yet everyone comments on how awesome her masturbation scenes are even though she may be suffering from the pain of his abuse; Desiree and Raul appear to be pretty normal, it appears Raul actually works leaving Desiree alone during the day, and I have not seen anyone object to her masturbating using 3 dildos to keep her sex drive satisfied, and there have been lots of comments on her weight and a lot of those are, frankly, pretty offensive; no one seems to object to Masha and Sasha having sex at the turn of a hat, in point of fact if they go for a while without doing it we wonder where they are getting it outside of their place; speculation on Marsha and Sasha and the Italian have run rampant yet the one constant in chat is wanting to see Sasha do her when Masha is not there, not too kinky there folks; not a real fan of Vanessa and Thomas but when they would always cover up during sex everyone complains how dare they; when Vanessa (or Thomas') parents were house sitting most were entertained by their sexual prowess for an old, fat couple but I have seen no complaints about that; even when Kamila's mother was in the apartment and masturbated in the tub, which I happened to catch for a minute and still cannot purge from memory, while Kami and Kristy were away was greeted with open enthusiasm that the old lady could still get it on; Suzan and Hector lead as boring a life as can be imagined and the biggest complaint is they do not have enough sex, and tongues were really flying when Suzan was doing it with one of the idiots who stayed with them for a while, but no real social indignation; the primary musings on Kami and Kristy was for them to give in to their sexual desires and do it with each other, when clearly they are not lesbians, even though Kami planted a big kiss on her once late one night, and Kami's new boyfriend has certainly proven she is heterosexual while Kristy is proving she is obviously heterosexual, although her choice in men leaves something to be desired; and finally there is the Dasha and Demid, the true soap opera apartment, which has fueled more speculation than the others combined and yet the primary complaint is Demid controlling Dasha too much and members want to old wilder Dasha back when she would masturbate more on camera with her PC; everyone bitches that Barcelona was too boring, just a bunch or women laying around in their lingerie and being on their phones all day, no girl-on-girl sex, and thank god that some of them would finally masturbate on cam; when Barca2 was put in place and we had 2 really young girls who looked fresh off the farm what did everyone want, for Megan and Amy to hook up and have lesbian sex! THIS WAS ADDED TO ORIGINAL: Also, I forgot the most important example: EFIM, who gets some of the best reviews for his sexual performances by newbies and old school members alike. He is reviled because of the way he has treated his women, whipping Diana and trying the same on his current girl. Yet when he shows up to visit Nelly and Bogdan the crowds go wild because they know he will fuck his girl regardless of whether it is 4 a.m. and he goes for a long time. Again, domestic violence does not count where performance matters. END OF EDIT As for RLC: everyone complains they provide boring apartments with too little action; poor choices in tenants; not enough sex for the money they charge; not enough free cams so non-members cannot see all the action, how dare they restrict that free access or tighten it up; if they would not provide this then someone else should take over, which apparently was done in July and give us what we want and are paying all this money for. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID! THIS WAS ADDED TO ORIGINAL: If what happened had been introduced over the span of 1-2 months: Megan and Becca, Lola dildoing Polya in the tub; Belle having a romp with Anna or one of the other girls; no one would have been offended, there would have been an outpouring of applause for all the actions and RLC would have been praised for their choices. People would have been clamoring for videos of the action, just as they are for the party action. END OF EDIT So what this says to me is we are all hypocrites of the worst kind who are willing to demand activities over and over and over; yet get all righteous when our demands are met. How did we justify what happened; it must have been drugs because otherwise we cannot accept that many watched what happened and liked it; until the next day when we felt bad because we need to soothe our souls and are not willing to admit that we liked it. And as I write this Lev is fucking Zoya on the couch, and you know what; I enjoyed watching the little I saw and I would bet so did a lot of others! And the chat pretty much suggests viewers who saw it think Lev should do her more often or this post ' Hi all. Perhaps the beginning for Z&L'. So much for domestic violence and other social concerns. I guess we need a bigger soap box on which to stand the next time we are feeling indignant with ourselves. So there you go, the completely opposite point of view using nothing but facts. I used to enjoy doing this when dissecting project designs at work because it forces one to look at issues from multiple perspectives and make others reconsider if their initial analysis was correct or find points which were overlooked. So now everyone can go and attack what I said and I truly believe the outcry will be HUGE. mikeusa, Moose8973, Boofer69 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloner Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 It is human sometimes to take one view and sometimes another. Or to hold contradictory views at the same time. Issues are many-sided. Few things cause more contradictions in us than sex. RLC new owners have pushed change and that is always unsettling. They have given us what we want - more explicit sex. But perhaps what we meant was - more explicit sex for the girls we like; rather than more meaningless mechanical sex shows (like Voyeur Villa). Perhaps they are after a wider market - expanding the viewership of hard-core voyeurs of the pretty staid apartments where often paint dries into the much larger general porn market. RLC has a still unique offering for that market, and one I find compelling: It is happening right now. Because we know it is live (whether scripted in part or not) RLC has an immediacy that cannot be offered by porn sites where we know the girl 'who has never tried it with another girl before' is being filmed by a camera crew, and the outcome is certain and we can fast-forward to the good bits. RLC offers uncertainty, a great aphrodisiac. I too was nervous when Megan and Rebecca first nervously went off together to Megan's room (before barricading the door), Megan faffing about with her phone and Rebecca showing a jittery mix of anxiety and desire as new lovers do. Would Megan back out, or someone interrupt? For both girls the tension of what they were about to do was real and palpable. Then unfolded a drama of touching beauty and sexual desire more real and involving than any porn I have ever seen. And it is ongoing. They slept last night together, Megan peacefully, Becca rather fitfully, as though she was reliving the taste and smell of the fabulous tight pussy and luscious tits lying inches from her. What will tonight bring? I'm hooked, aren't you? We don't need to be ashamed, any more than the performers. CowArt, Sir_Lurxalot, toolmaker123 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boofer69 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Hey everyone......Booffer69 here, Tried to reset my password and it reset me back to the get go, What I'm wondering is everyone feels like shit now that everyone got what they've been asking for, for yrs now..the girls had their way with each other and everyone is now freaked out about it...I got to see the first night only cause I'm not a member and refuse to pay the USD amount exchange from Canada...... Yes it was most definitely drug induced party, that's a given... May of been coke... may of been extacy..... If even 50% of what you've all been saying about the last couple of nights are true....I've lost major respect for these ladies indeed........ Moral of the story is be careful what you ask for....you may not like it after all.... Beardo is one fuck of a lucky guy, nobody twisted the girls arms to enter the one room in the apartment that doesn't have a cam in it for evidence....I love watching these girls but to a certain extent.... JUST SAYIN....... Later Dudes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeguy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Hey everyone......Booffer69 here, Tried to reset my password and it reset me back to the get go, What I'm wondering is everyone feels like shit now that everyone got what they've been asking for, for yrs now..the girls had their way with each other and everyone is now freaked out about it...I got to see the first night only cause I'm not a member and refuse to pay the USD amount exchange from Canada...... Yes it was most definitely drug induced party, that's a given... May of been coke... may of been extacy..... If even 50% of what you've all been saying about the last couple of nights are true....I've lost major respect for these ladies indeed........ Moral of the story is be careful what you ask for....you may not like it after all.... Beardo is one fuck of a lucky guy, nobody twisted the girls arms to enter the one room in the apartment that doesn't have a cam in it for evidence....I love watching these girls but to a certain extent.... JUST SAYIN....... Later Dudes.. I disagree this was drug related. No one has shown one piece of real evidence that anyone took anything; that bearded guy put anything in their drinks, gave them pills or whatever. Maybe they got an offer they could not refuse to go overboard like this. As I said in my prior post, if this happened over 30-60 days NO ONE would have said a fucking thing nor would I have. I am ashamed because I continued to watch when everyone was saying they were drugged. Even though I do not believe that it still calls into question my moral fiber and I need to deal with that. Mooka and Boofer69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boofer69 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Your right like I said also...no evidence cause of the room they used....But what other reasoning then that for him and one of the female guest use the washroom together..... 5 bottles of wine and a bottle of what ever else they found... and they would have energy to kill once out of that room..... Explain to me what they could of possibly of been doing in that room... dougiestyle4u and RUBBERMAN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, capeguy said: I disagree this was drug related. No one has shown one piece of real evidence that anyone took anything; that bearded guy put anything in their drinks, gave them pills or whatever. Maybe they got an offer they could not refuse to go overboard like this. As I said in my prior post, if this happened over 30-60 days NO ONE would have said a fucking thing nor would I have. I am ashamed because I continued to watch when everyone was saying they were drugged. Even though I do not believe that it still calls into question my moral fiber and I need to deal with that. Well said Capeguy and I was very relieved to read what you said as I thought I was the only skeptic here. I won't believe anything written here unless I see it, either live or photos/video. Simply because some here are that wound up in their conspiracy theories, fantasy's and warped reality that they can see, in their own mind, anything they want to see. A visitor to an apartment - someone must be having an affair. A tenant on the phone, must be ringing their lover. A tenant leaves the apartment, must be having an affair or is a prostitute. The list just goings on and on. I don't know what happened at the party, due to time zones, I missed everything. But I can't see RLC condoning drugs openly, it is just too risky, too many people that have been banned just waiting for something they can complain to the authorities about. So what were the girls and bearded guy doing in the bathroom - hell it could have been anything, but probably something innocent like the bearded guy giving instructions or telling the girls this is part of the deal for free room and food. I do agree with most that bearded guy probably works for RLC, the way the girls from both apartments seem to obey everything he asks to me is a telling factor. But isn't this what everyone here was screaming for: a bit of girl on girl action. Well guess what, you got what you asked for, but evidently that wasn't enough, some here had to make up a pretense to still say it wasn't enough. muggsc and Boofer69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeguy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 34 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Your right like I said also...no evidence cause of the room they used....But what other reasoning then that for him and one of the female guest use the washroom together..... 5 bottles of wine and a bottle of what ever else they found... and they would have energy to kill once out of that room..... Explain to me what they could of possibly of been doing in that room... If this was a scripted party then bearded guy may have been partly responsible for keeping things going in the right direction. He could have met with each girl to keep them on plan. I do not have vid of that but I would be curious as to exactly how long each was in that room with him. Mooka and Boofer69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boofer69 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 37 minutes ago, Mooka said: From what I seen, They were in there no longer then a minute or so each time..... Most parties I've been too... 1 of 2 things would happen when a guy and girl would hit the can together......lol... So who knows...my observations think otherwise but hey..... I could be wrong also.... Money does travel a long way and booze will make you do dumb ass things....... Watching them play cards now is making me laugh my ass off....Anna covering up after taking off her bra.....shit from what you all said you seen, she had his dick in her mouth.......lol RUBBERMAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstern Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, [email protected] said: From what I seen, They were in there no longer then a minute or so each time..... Most parties I've been too... 1 of 2 things would happen when a guy and girl would hit the can together......lol... So who knows...my observations think otherwise but hey..... I could be wrong also.... Money does travel a long way and booze will make you do dumb ass things....... Watching them play cards now is making me laugh my ass off....Anna covering up after taking off her bra.....shit from what you all said you seen, she had his dick in her mouth.......lol Mr. Beard could have been the ring master, that extra push for the girls to dildo and eat muff. Mooka and Boofer69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalevipoeg Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 There are many long philosophical commenys here of RLC´s new development, but as so many have said, this is getting closer to porn and too far from voyeurism. Being a voyeur, I like to watch people "secretly", and RLC should at least try to give us the illusion that we are watching real life secretly. If I am offered porn at a high price, I am not interested. Booffer69, dougiestyle4u and delta10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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