financial gains from page views on RLC and VHTV and the rest

[dave0000]

I've been watching RLC off and on since maybe 2015, subscribed for a few months until I had problems with Segpay. I do remember a point a few years back when it was pretty much only Leora doing teases directly for the camera. The rest of the couples just did there regular thing, but at some point they all started doing stuff directed to the camera, at which point I figured RLC started giving some kind of incentive for page views. I believe this was the point were as people here have said "real voyeurism ended" then all the new web sites popped up and they were doing the same thing. I believe Voyeur- villa was the first before all the rest.

My point here being: to get back the real voyeurism aspect of theses sites you would need to get rid of all incentives for getting people to watch them and go back to just hanging out and living their lives. I don't think that will happen, financial gain has become a key part of the industry.

I see a lot of people here, angry at the way things have changed. I would like to get some discussion going here as to what people feel about this issue.  Am I completely off base here? What would you like to see change? If you could make a new site what would you make it into?

I for one kind of like the way it is, if only they could tone it down a bit, less group sex and fake masturbation or like I like to call it "mock-turbation" lol Just be real, but do it naked! I don't personally mind them being on CB or MFC (way less latency and better close up views) In a perfect world they shouldn't need to. the web site should just pay them more so they can go about their lives, but I don't think that will happen. If camming keeps them on, then more power to them.

What do you as the viewer want to see? Lets talk about it sensibly and maybe the site owners will read this a get some ideas.

[Rhodie]

17 minutes ago, dave0000 said:

I've been watching RLC off and on since maybe 2015, subscribed for a few months until I had problems with Segpay. I do remember a point a few years back when it was pretty much only Leora doing teases directly for the camera. The rest of the couples just did there regular thing, but at some point they all started doing stuff directed to the camera, at which point I figured RLC started giving some kind of incentive for page views. I believe this was the point were as people here have said "real voyeurism ended" then all the new web sites popped up and they were doing the same thing. I believe Voyeur- villa was the first before all the rest.

My point here being: to get back the real voyeurism aspect of theses sites you would need to get rid of all incentives for getting people to watch them and go back to just hanging out and living their lives. I don't think that will happen, financial gain has become a key part of the industry.

I see a lot of people here, angry at the way things have changed. I would like to get some discussion going here as to what people feel about this issue.  Am I completely off base here? What would you like to see change? If you could make a new site what would you make it into?

I for one kind of like the way it is, if only they could tone it down a bit, less group sex and fake masturbation or like I like to call it "mock-turbation" lol Just be real, but do it naked! I don't personally mind them being on CB or MFC (way less latency and better close up views) In a perfect world they shouldn't need to. the web site should just pay them more so they can go about their lives, but I don't think that will happen. If camming keeps them on, then more power to them.

What do you as the viewer want to see? Lets talk about it sensibly and maybe the site owners will read this a get some ideas.

That's quite an essay to address. Firstly, Leora was one of the first on RLC and she learnt the game pretty fast. Good on her. As new places came online she had to up her game and she did so. Many still think she's the queen of RLC? I have no idea about the finances of the couples places are, but the finances of the Barca places are well known. Standard fee plus bonuses based on viewership. I'm not sure how that will work after the purge but, there is an incentive to preform!  There are a lot of angry people on RLCF. The reasons are multiple and varied. Much of the bitterness seems to come from those who don't subscribe and are upset that they can't get what most of us pay for? Cry me a river! As for the Barca ladies, this is a job. They basically have three months to get their bonuses make as much money as they can in order to get an invite back. You get some who go all out for the bonuses, then you get those like Karina and the other one, who do fuck all for two months then, have a brief flurry at the end hoping it will fool us all. With Sophie there, you're going to see a lot of "mock-turbation"  and, if you haven't seen her before, you'll get  lesson in cock-teasing.

[dave0000]

Thank you Rhodie for your response.  I don't have a RLC subscription, at least  not anymore. I have a VHTV subscription though. But that wasn't the point of the post. I'm just trying to get people talking about how it could be improved if they were calling the shots. Hoping that the management of the various sites might have someone reading this and perhaps take something from it, in short I'm looking for your input. Really not trying to start more arguing, just some constructive conversation.

TLDR:

Do you think giving the participants incentives for page views is ruining true voyeurism and should be changed?  If so how?

[Pleasant]

Chipping in, i'm sure that any extra cash incentive was the catalyst for the emergence of 'shows'. Makes perfect sense of course, but it only leads (and indeed did lead) to people putting on regular shows - Too many for some. This led to the lack of any reality, thus resulting in many calls of fakery. I left because i wasn't prepared to hand over more money to watch pre-arranged shows. That is not voyeurism. However, i cannot blame them for doing it - Because, of course, you give someone an offer for bonuses in exchange for having fun, not surprisingly they accept! And if the site was returned to the old, what you say 'True' voyeur, then i guess that many would leave because of boredom. So it depends of who runs which site. I'm sure someone would be happy to run a site that is old style, but a lot won't. At the moment, i'm pretty sure that an old style site wouldn't shift many viewers from rlc to there, but it still could attract its own audience. But like any business, they don't want to wait and see, the modern (if you will) style of voyeur hits the ground running, guarantees more views right from the off. So guess which one they go for!

[dave0000]

I have always thought that if they put more effort into recruiting true extreme exhibitionists and here I'm using Leora as an example again, mostly because she fits the bill so well, the end product would work for both the voyeur and the ones who just like it for the porn aspect. To my mind it seems like they are recruiting too many people  that are in it for the free ride and have no real interest in showing off. Another couple comes to mind, Nelly and Bogdan, I truly believe they enjoyed being watched as much a we enjoyed viewing them, and as a couple they excelled at showing off, both making love and just sitting around the house. Catering I'm sure to both types of viewer.

VHTV has a lot of the free ride types, women that lay with their legs open to the camera with their hand hovering somewhere near but probably never touching anything, casually watching TV or some show on their phones. that makes them some money I guess, but doesn't  cater very well to ether voyeur or pornaphile. If they were actually turned on and came to orgasm in a realistic fashion it could please everyone. So I'm thinking better selective recruitment  would go a long way to improve all the sites.

[Rhodie]

6 hours ago, dave0000 said:

Do you think giving the participants incentives for page views is ruining true voyeurism and should be changed?  If so how?

Sorry, I didn't mean to appear argumentative. There are many on the site who want true voyeurism but most like the sex. Watch the thumbs and most of the time, anyone having sex is the top one. As Pleasant said, the incentives lead to "shows" which clearly many like. Sex sells. Personally, the shows bore me. I like the sex when it's unexpected like the Twins, Regie and Sher, Rose Belle and Mo. With incentives based on views, many participants have learnt how to exploit it and fair enough. They reward those who make an effort rather than those who are there for a free holiday in Barcelona or a free apartment. It's far from perfect but, if people want to watch the shows, that's up to them.

[Johnny]

You give extra incentives and it's always going to lead to over the top, do what it takes performances. Most quite pathetic looking, but just my opinion. People that enjoy it natural have just as much right to complain, seeing as what the site is suppose to be about. Anyone knows there is more to voyeurism than masturbation and sex. 

End of the day. Certain topics not everyone is going to agree on. 

[Wazzer]

12 hours ago, dave0000 said:

I have always thought that if they put more effort into recruiting true extreme exhibitionists and here I'm using Leora as an example again, mostly because she fits the bill so well, the end product would work for both the voyeur and the ones who just like it for the porn aspect. To my mind it seems like they are recruiting too many people  that are in it for the free ride and have no real interest in showing off. Another couple comes to mind, Nelly and Bogdan, I truly believe they enjoyed being watched as much a we enjoyed viewing them, and as a couple they excelled at showing off, both making love and just sitting around the house. Catering I'm sure to both types of viewer.

VHTV has a lot of the free ride types, women that lay with their legs open to the camera with their hand hovering somewhere near but probably never touching anything, casually watching TV or some show on their phones. that makes them some money I guess, but doesn't  cater very well to ether voyeur or pornaphile. If they were actually turned on and came to orgasm in a realistic fashion it could please everyone. So I'm thinking better selective recruitment  would go a long way to improve all the sites.

Nelly and Bogdan were perfect example of two people down to earth and enjoying life together. Always trying new ways not only to turn themselves on, but viewers as well. Seen them fuck and Nelly masturbate more ways in one day than the others in a whole year. Both always doing something constructive and not just sleeping or face in a screen.

[RUBBERMAN]

Get back to being a real voyeur site and get rid of the Barcelona tricks, and you might just get back most of your paying customers...surly a LOT of us members didn't sign up for Porn when its free and much more better then what some of these girls are trying to do.  And it does look like things are making a turn for the bad to come back and give us viewers nightly drinking and substance abuse classes because RLC has nothing fresh for its slowly disappearing customers.  If its going to be Porn then they should at least change the name of the site.  There was some real great apartments and most was worth viewing until RLC started putting more priority into tricks and strippers then to what got them where they started out with.  Now you have a few so call under cover chatters who's job seems to be constantly telling others how good the site is now...."when its all bullshit."  I guess we can expect to see more and more scrapes from the bottom of the trash can to come back until some one gets their head out of their ass and get it right AGAIN!!! 

[dave0000]

Thank you all for your responses. Let ask you this, if you had the owner of RLC or VHTV  in front of you, what would you say to them?   Besides kicking them in the nuts, lol

If I was talking to the owner of VHTV one thing I would tell them is their web site sucks to navigate. I'm always missing stuff because there is no way to see whats going on unless you manually click every link searching for something. The thumbnails are all too small and the streams buffer way too much.

I've noticed that when you have a VHTV stream up and they also have a chaturbate room, putting the two side by side the VHTV stream will be at least 15-20 seconds behind the chaturbate stream. thats seconds not micro seconds. That seems really long in internet time. Just some problems that stand out to me.

 

[Rhodie]

1 hour ago, dave0000 said:

if you had the owner of RLC or VHTV  in front of you, what would you say to them? 

I can't speak for VHTV but, RLC also needs to sort out the streaming. Secondly, communication is a big issue. I know they are inundated with people making complaints about not liking someone or other trivial matters, but they ignore genuine enquiries. For example, I asked support if, given the new prices, I had to cancel and re-subscribe. (I'm on a rolling monthly contract) They never bothered to reply. I got my answer when they took nearly $50 off my bank account for what has become a lesser product. The reality is, you can't please all the people all the time. There are those who want true voyeurism and those who want sex. While the staged stuff bores me, it's slightly better than watching people sitting around watching their phones? If you owned RLC, what would you do?

 

[dave0000]

Customer service, I believe is one of the most important aspects of running a business. VHTV has responded pretty quickly every time I've contacted them, so in that they get high marks from me. RLC's payment company, Segpay made three false charges, billing me with fake charges from a fake website and I'm not the only one, there is a whole thread on here with a bunch of others who had the same thing happen to them. I would not trust them in any way. So I would dump Segpay straight away. I imagine that could also be a part in why people are not subscribing. 

I peak in on RLC every day or I did anyway and I know what your talking about, load times were bad and buffering made it hard to watch, it's better now, probably because no ones watching anymore. So improving there servers would be important.

I would also focus on recruiting people that like being watched, not ones that are just looking for a free ride. Also I would look for participants in other parts of the world, USA, Asia, Europe, Australia you get the picture. At least some English speakers would be nice. I would also recruit more female only apartments, I would think most viewers are men, not all and I'm sure there are guys who are up for anything, so a good mix, something for everyone. Having all the time zones covered so its not feast or famine also.

RLC gets high points from me on the layout of their web site, kudos to their web master for that.

If I had the money I would consider starting a new site myself. Perhaps someone watching may take a stab at it, we can only hope.

Also would look for people of different ages, to many irresponsible young people makes me anxious. lol 

[Scorpio 22]

First of all tell them to sell up because they are useless. Customer service has never been a strong point and can't see it getting that much better. Even after all the apartments lost and not to mention subscribers, the streaming in still crap. We all know (except for RLC) what's needed to improve a pretty dishevelled site. On a good not, yes the layout and how you navigate through is the best quality. 

After what has happened think some have been proven wrong about how much more popular the showgirls were compared to the rest. Just because people don't comment on their fan pages or constantly ramble on with useless information, doesn't mean they are not popular. 

[dave0000]

To be honest I'm more of a pornophile then a voyeur. (But I have knelt at a keyhole or two in my day and it was exhilarating to say the least.) So for me sites like MFC and Chaturbate are a daily pastime. I've wondered a bit why those types of sites don't invest in a property like an apartment building, fill it with cameras and invite some of their camgirls to stay long term. Make an app that the girls can keep with them on their phones and viewers  can tip them as they go about their daily lives. I guess it might be a legal nightmare, but I for one would watch. The tipping part would mean no monthly fee, maybe do a one time token purchase to get access or something.  I'm pretty sure most camgirls on those sites like to be watched, so perfect match.

Just throwing some ideas out there 😉

[Wazzer]

When it comes to camgirls and Chaturbate. I prefer the ones that venture out and come up with new ideas. On their balcony, in the garden etc. In the car while driving and pulling over to a fuel station and masturbating one of the hottest ones I've viewed. Something like a hotel with business men and women, couples, holidaymakers would be interesting.