I think all of us are around the same ballpark here. We know that these men and women are there for 2 reasons - 1) To entertain and 2) To make their bosses money. And that's it. So when any site, either VH or rlc stumble on a winning formula, it's bound to spread like wildfire, and it did. So you then get to the point where more places than not are doing the same thing. Many love it, many don't. But as i said at the start, where rlc fall down is that they persisted with the whole 'Real' scenarios, whereas VH don't hide what it's there for. VH know the audience mood and give the people what they want. And that's why it works for them. If rlc want to get back up the table, then they should either adopt a similar plan, or try the old fly on the wall style, rather than being stuck in the mud. The whole 'Voyeur' term for these sites has been lost due to 'Show' aspect, but hey, that in itself works. So if a site didn't label itself as such and maybe announced itself as just a cam site, people would know what's what. That's the basis of the whole conversation really. It's where rlc lost its way in the first place, when the cries of 'Fake' started to appear. So any site should be either 'Show' or a genuine 'fly on the wall, if something happens good, if it doesn't also good' Voyeur site. At least VH have got their image sorted, rlc are still stuck in no mans land. Everyone knows now that the tenants ARE putting on shows for the cams, but that's what many like to see, and that's fine and dandy. Myself and everyone above are kind of talking the same thing in a roundabout way, so there's no problem. There's no real difference between VH and rlc at the end of the day - It's how they are marketed, that's the difference.

15 hours ago, Pleasant said:

I think all of us are around the same ballpark here. We know that these men and women are there for 2 reasons - 1) To entertain and 2) To make their bosses money. And that's it. So when any site, either VH or rlc stumble on a winning formula, it's bound to spread like wildfire, and it did. So you then get to the point where more places than not are doing the same thing. Many love it, many don't. But as i said at the start, where rlc fall down is that they persisted with the whole 'Real' scenarios, whereas VH don't hide what it's there for. VH know the audience mood and give the people what they want. And that's why it works for them. If rlc want to get back up the table, then they should either adopt a similar plan, or try the old fly on the wall style, rather than being stuck in the mud. The whole 'Voyeur' term for these sites has been lost due to 'Show' aspect, but hey, that in itself works. So if a site didn't label itself as such and maybe announced itself as just a cam site, people would know what's what. That's the basis of the whole conversation really. It's where rlc lost its way in the first place, when the cries of 'Fake' started to appear. So any site should be either 'Show' or a genuine 'fly on the wall, if something happens good, if it doesn't also good' Voyeur site. At least VH have got their image sorted, rlc are still stuck in no mans land. Everyone knows now that the tenants ARE putting on shows for the cams, but that's what many like to see, and that's fine and dandy. Myself and everyone above are kind of talking the same thing in a roundabout way, so there's no problem. There's no real difference between VH and rlc at the end of the day - It's how they are marketed, that's the difference.

All comes down to money as always. Say the site is one thing, then when something becomes popular screw what we promoted the site as being and just go with it. VHtv has even removed the part where it says they don't do camgirls. 

13 hours ago, Wazzer said:

All comes down to money as always. Say the site is one thing, then when something becomes popular screw what we promoted the site as being and just go with it. VHtv has even removed the part where it says they don't do camgirls. 

You have to follow where the Money goes. 

Edited July 21, 20196 yr by StnCld316

Following where the money goes not always the smartest move in the long run. How long before the loyal and long serving members get fed up and leave. Changing your ways to make more money, not always best idea. Time will tell. 

On 7/19/2019 at 3:36 AM, Plank said:

@Pleasant  No apology needed,we go back a long way and you,(and those that have read my shit over the years), know that the majority of the time I am being, or trying to be,tongue in cheek,sardonic,pith, humourous etc.My comments not meant as a serious swipe at you, just me being sarcastic and missing the spot. Sorry if I caused you or anyone else any angst.

But let me explain the reason for my comment. I have said previously somewhere that I had become jaded with RLCF because with a few exceptions, I seemed to be the only one posting anything on the VHtv section.
Taking my time to cap,compose & edit stuff etc, despite being busy in my real life. I thought I was doing our forum members a favour , trying to keep RLCF ticking over, because from my point of view it seemed to be dying on it's arse with numerous great members of this forum abandoning us & jumping ship to CC.
But by the time I get online & review the days events,anything & everything is already up on CC and is now old news.Yet I will still post something if I find it interesting,intriguing or I have a viewpoint on it.
I know how many views my post may have had yet,with a few exceptions, there will be no comments or discussion or debate,just a few 'likes'. I am not looking for praise,compliments,plaudits or medals,I would just like folks to get involved.
But it's clear to me that folk just want to look at the pictures & that's fine I suppose. 

 @dougiestyle4u  There is 'no beef ting dem' as they say on streets,innit! Or in English, there is no disagreement or argument.as far as I'm concerned,I wasn't pissed off,but I have always said that if anyone has an issue with anybody ,take it to PM.
@Max 2017 Yes mate,it has been creeping up slowly but surely.

Sofi & Carmen, don't get me started with all the screaming & moving from room to room.
Pamela & Joseph, the worst of the bunch. Shame really, the girls are nice.
Dorian, Wagner, Darren and Robert&Sallie, fly-vision, why?
Nikki & Archi The Guest girl all the time,Nikki sometimes.
Julia & Raul, Denisa & Alexey, surprised that they returned,stale bullshit shows although Denisa is easy on the eyes.
Leeloo & Corben,  Leeloo sometimes.
Cristian & Andrea, when there's not a cam show going on there is a photo-shoot or porn shoot going on. Shite stuttering stream & cams, waste of space.
Nadia & Obi, a shame really I thought Nadia was above all that, I was wrong.
Lisa & Grant. Lisa has done more recently & probably gets off better than she does with Grant.

I know it must be difficult for the participants to think up different stuff to drag in viewers,but this cam show stuff is not the answer.I suppose it also raises the question. Do they participants need to supplement their income by doing cam shows?                       In which case VHtv need to look at their payment scale.

Clara is now doing it also. Like I said ok doing it now and then but when it constantly just boring. Nothing flows and most of the time it's just put on to earn tips. Many good tenants are on the sidelines and never been brought back for some reason or another. 

@Max 2017 Yeah I was aware of Clara's shows and I am a bit disappointed if I'm honest. It was a shame the Kathy & Molly stuff got nipped in the bud ,that could've been epic.

In my opinion most of VHTV's couples don't work outside their houses, which I think is a big mistake. If at least one of them held a day job (my vote would be for the men) They could save money to move on to better things. They all seem to choose to lay around the house napping or playing video games and watching cartoons like 10 year old children. I've said it before, I think a good amount of them have some kind of autism and probably couldn't work if they wanted to. which makes me ask:  Does Russia have a disability program like US's SSI program? I googled around and couldn't find anything.

I personally don't mind when they cam, Clara for instance, is giving the best views from her cam set up, good light and nice close up views. I don't think I would ever get tired of that, but there are still some that don't do shows. What about Nicole and Karl? They seem oblivious to the cams and no shows accept their occasional love making. The one thing I like about VHTV is there is a little something for everyone.

5 hours ago, dave0000 said:

In my opinion most of VHTV's couples don't work outside their houses, which I think is a big mistake. If at least one of them held a day job (my vote would be for the men) They could save money to move on to better things. They all seem to choose to lay around the house napping or playing video games and watching cartoons like 10 year old children. I've said it before, I think a good amount of them have some kind of autism and probably couldn't work if they wanted to. which makes me ask:  Does Russia have a disability program like US's SSI program? I googled around and couldn't find anything.

I personally don't mind when they cam, Clara for instance, is giving the best views from her cam set up, good light and nice close up views. I don't think I would ever get tired of that, but there are still some that don't do shows. What about Nicole and Karl? They seem oblivious to the cams and no shows accept their occasional love making. The one thing I like about VHTV is there is a little something for everyone.

They have even had a couple of those Ladyboy Traps on the odd occasion.. One guy thought he was getting it on with a Girl until the pants came off.   😄

22 hours ago, StnCld316 said:

They have even had a couple of those Ladyboy Traps on the odd occasion.. One guy thought he was getting it on with a Girl until the pants came off.   😄

 

So I was looking at VHTV's twitter page and clicked on Anthony and Gia's twitter page. It looks like they are putting together a new voyeur site.

 

 

(link: http://www.VoyeurLife.com) VoyeurLife.com

nothing there yet but looks promising based just on the fact their in the US so potentially their participants will be too.   

https://twitter.com/anthonygiavegas

not sure why links not working. should be able to right click to go to it.

Just thought I'd put that out there in case anyone's interested. 😉

Good to know. New site is needed and hopefully something different from what's on offer now. 

16 hours ago, dave0000 said:

So I was looking at VHTV's twitter page and clicked on Anthony and Gia's twitter page. It looks like they are putting together a new voyeur site.

 

 

(link: http://www.VoyeurLife.com) VoyeurLife.com

nothing there yet but looks promising based just on the fact their in the US so potentially their participants will be too.   

https://twitter.com/anthonygiavegas

not sure why links not working. should be able to right click to go to it.

Just thought I'd put that out there in case anyone's interested. 😉

Interesting. You would think it will be in the US and will be a good change. They were not the most interesting couple, but let's hope they are good at setting up a proper voyeur site. 

2 hours ago, Scorpio 22 said:

Interesting. You would think it will be in the US and will be a good change. They were not the most interesting couple, but let's hope they are good at setting up a proper voyeur site. 

I figured when they were broadcasting, that he might of been the one to set up all the cameras and such, so maybe a tech guy or something. It's worth keeping an eye on in any case.

2 minutes ago, dave0000 said:

I figured when they were broadcasting, that he might of been the one to set up all the cameras and such, so maybe a tech guy or something. It's worth keeping an eye on in any case.

Anything new would be welcomed. September the 7th looks to be the grand opening. 

15 hours ago, Scorpio 22 said:

Interesting. You would think it will be in the US and will be a good change. They were not the most interesting couple, but let's hope they are good at setting up a proper voyeur site. 

At least it will be in English so most should be able to understand the language. Will see how it goes when it starts up.